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Post by ThePieMan on May 13, 2017 15:06:50 GMT
Recently, I've been getting quite frustrated with the overall OR (Global) community's behaviour of late. - Splits and Factions.
- This work is secret unless you're one of the, "in crowd."
- Johnny-come-latelys are suspiciously judged as thieves rather than interested co-collaborators, and so, cannot join old forums.
- Forum posts that were once open to the general public are being retroactively deleted.
And none, in the oldies group, has the guts to stand up and say, "Hey, this is so GDF childish! What are we here for? Self-aggrandizement? To be the first to say, 'I found it! I'm the one!' OR to share, with all and sundry and anyone interested, in replicating the OR?" Not one! What's the point of working collaboratively, in public, and then making the results secret? The OR is already Secret. I thought the whole point was… to REVEAL that secret? I'm a Johny-come-lately, and what I can say after having visited many forums is that, it appears that I have no right to join, access, or even evaluate the efforts of those who have gone before me. That's just GDF selfish. Big time! What's more it forces me, and anybody else new, to REINVENT the GDF wheel and trod back over old, well trodden paths, and watch as the crumbs are snatched away by crows and vultures. Leaving nothing to stand in perpetuity. That's just so wrong. It is a disgusting act of despicable, corrupted, mean spirit. end-of-rant. |
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Post by Ken_Griffiths on May 13, 2017 21:43:19 GMT
TPM,
You certainly like to keep life interesting...
I think it's called 'putting your head above the parapet' ... and YES I'm with you TPM. I think everyone knows my feelings about sharing their research.
I just don't see the point, in trying to keep secret, something that is already a secret. It defeats the object of why the forums are here in the first place and why people choose to join them.
Constantly teasing other members about any undisclosed, or purposely hidden research, also has no place here.
Good on ya TPM, for getting that rant off your chest by the way... it's good to release that 15lbs of hot steam, once in a while.
Ken
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Post by Ken_Griffiths on May 13, 2017 22:12:24 GMT
TPM,
One further thing I will mention...
I know an (ex)member here, who I won't publicly name, but recently chose to delete their own research posts, including their latest recipe and then leave the kfc11 forum.
That's their choice and I was sorry to see the person leave, without any form of dialogue with me or any other kfc11 member.
The individual concerned moved their research to another KFC research forum and made a few unnecessary and derogatory remarks 'publicly', about some of the members here ...and not for the first time.
That in itself is perhaps unacceptable and it was certainly totally unjustified and led to the suspension of their kfc11 membership - not that it seemed to bother them after their own decision to go elsewhere with their recipe and research etc..
However, what was far worse, was the way that person, themselves, was then later treated ... and spoken to ... by other members of their chosen 'new' forum (and another closely related forum to that one).
It was not even the case that the incident (probably) had any bearing, or relationship, to their previous membership here. I certainly don't have any evidence of that.
Anyhow, I won't go into too much unnecessary detail here, or repeat the nasty things said to the ex-kfc11 member, by his newly chosen associates, as this is an open forum, with young folk passing by as guests, but what I will say is, the words said to the ex-kfc11 member, were irresponsible, to say the least.
That is simply no way to treat anyone, even if the words were said in jest (which the weren't) and is clearly cause for some concern.
That is not something any 'responsible' forum administrator should ever tolerate, especially as the comments made were said quite openly and could have be seen by any guest, or young 'vulnerable' person passing by that forum site.
The remarks should never have been said by their forum member(s) and should have been deleted immediately, or certainly at the earliest opportunity, and those that condoned the things mentioned, or chose to say nothing about the matter, should realise they too, can sometimes become tarnished themselves by their openly expressed association to the individuals involved.
I would like to say to our ex-member of kfc11, that is not how I would expect to see anyone spoken to (ridiculed) here and anyone who made such remarks, like the ones said to you, would have been dealt with at kfc11 in a far more appropriate way.
I will never understand why anyone would choose to 'knowingly' mix with such people who seem to 'uncaringly' choose to be so derogatory to others.
Who needs any enemies when you have friends like that?
It's a pity some people can't seem to tolerate others and yet all it really takes is for some folk to set aside their differences and to try a little harder to get along with each other.
Of course, I am just an outsider, looking in... supposedly, just like a few others that I know.
Ken
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Post by ThePieMan on May 15, 2017 9:51:02 GMT
I was cursed a long time ago to, "live in interesting times..."  I agree with you whole heartedly Ken, incitement to self harm has no place in any public forum. I have always been an advocate of being Firm, Friendly, Fair, and Frank in conducting public discourse, having mentioned it before in this forum, [http://kfc11.proboards.com/thread/54/dtm-ellsworth] and elaborating more fully here, [http://www.angelfire.com/country/oversite/atrandom/index.blog/1432055/be-firm-friendly-fair-and-frank/] Even though, from time to time, I occasionally fall off the hobby horse, I do try to keep getting back up and back on. That being said, there is no excuse for advocating anyone to self-harm. |
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Post by Ken_Griffiths on May 15, 2017 11:21:27 GMT
"I agree with you whole heartedly Ken, incitement to self harm has no place in any public forum". It is actually a criminal offence over here in the UK, which we call 'incitement' and it doesn't matter if things are said, even in jest, which I don't think they were on this occasion, but it's how the recipient and/or others, who are around about, perceive the comments/actions themselves, regardless of what the (offending) person may have originally intended. Anyhow I understand the things said, have been deleted, or removed from view. I think it shows that such antics and flippant attitudes, can sometimes lead to the type of behaviour, which the Police over here refer to as 'Van Syndrome' ... where a bunch of folk get together in the back of a van and slowly begin 'banter' and start to 'bounce' off each others remarks/behaviour and eventually, over time, they can become 'out of control', albeit each individual person would otherwise be extremely well behaved, when they are by themselves. It's something for everyone to be mindful of when participating in any poorly unsupervised groups, or so it was said, at school, during my 'early learning' days. |
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Post by ThePieMan on Dec 28, 2019 23:40:36 GMT
Van Syndrome, now that's interesting especially in light of recent events, on this forum, again. It also explains something that occurred with me many, many years ago at University... a room full of friends, some active smokers, some passive, and the discussion was around crime prevention especially with regard to acts of domestic terrorism and trying to understand and predict what perpetrators might do. Needless to say that conversation got a bit out of hand with some of the wild ideas that followed. jm2cw.
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Post by mpmn04 on Dec 29, 2019 1:56:42 GMT
Van Syndrome; on this side of the pond we refer to that behaviour as "gang mentality". One person whips the others into an adrenaline crazed state. Charlie Manson had it down to a science. He never killed anyone, but his "family" sure did.
Mike
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