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Post by jilliegirl on Dec 17, 2019 23:42:07 GMT
Thank you. 🙂 Ya’ll are an awesome group. Blessings, Jillie 🙂
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Post by kgp on Sept 11, 2020 11:55:06 GMT
Member Brodie about vanilla:
Sun Jul 25, 2010 2:43 pm Post subject: lumpys latest Reply with quote let me start by saying i have tremendous respect for my pal lumpy, and most everyone else here at tck. let me also remind everyone that i am 48 years old, and had my first taste of o.r. circa 1968-69. i followed lumpys direction to the "T", using all marion kay spices and herbs, except bourbon madagascar vanilla beans (mccormick gourmet collection), mk msg, and mk fine flake salt. what im about to say will be controversial as hell, among some of us, but, as ive said before, i must be honest, to the best of my recollection. while the addition of vanilla beans didnt bother the overall flavor, it really didnt add anything either. at least as far as o.r. is concerned. in fact, i prefer star anise over vanilla. to me it brought a nicer flavor. most "regulars" here at tck know of my fondness for mk 99x. as ive said before, its the closest (easily) that ive tasted to date. and dont kid yourself, ive cooked a lot of chicken in the last year and half. dusty made a comment the other day, he said, and i quote, "if i blind-folded brodie, he wouldnt be able to tell the difference between todays crop, and 99x". as i thought about that, i realized, there is a reason for that. its because they are so bloody close! as they should be, if you believe the proven history of colonel sanders, bill summers, and kfc! they both are watered down, but they were not discarded. no doubt, there have been some fine recipes created on this forum, yet none taste remotely like todays kfc or 99x. you might say they are BETTER, but you cant say they resemble todays kfc or 99x in the least. i think were off track. unleash the hounds.
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Post by dprovo on Aug 9, 2023 12:42:39 GMT
From member ChuckR
I have been researching spice suppliers for Colonel Sanders recently, and it appears that beginning in August 1952 with the first franchise Sanders was able to sell in Salt Lake City, someone had to blend the spices to ship to the franchisee's which eventually reached 600 when he sold the company in 1964.
In the Beginning: Here is what we have been able to ascertain with the help of member ChuckR.
It is well known that from at least 1952 to a later period in the 1950's, the Colonel and his wife blended his O.R. spices on clean concrete. He stated he mixed his secret spice blend with flour and MSG, and shipped same to franchises. Or his wife would handle the task when he was away.
There came a point when he did hire 2 or more employees to assist him at a building on his property. This has been stated in various places. Also most people remember the photo of the 100 pound barrel of O.R. seasoning in his museum in Corbin. It was shipped by a supplier and Colonel Sanders always made sure to tear off all labels indicating origin of supplier.
The new information we found was that the early supplier was no doubt the Frank Tea and Spice Company in Cincinnati, Ohio. Minnette Summers, of MK stated in a press interview, they received Colonel Sanders volume orders because of better quality spices than a Cincinnati spice company he had been using. This was the same Cincinnatti company that made Frank's Hot Sauce and was around since 1922. Frank Tea and Spice Company was sold to Durkee in 1977 and is long gone. A chat with a lady at the Cincinnati Historical Society revealed that the Frank Tea and Spice Company was THE city's supplier of spices and blends in that time period. Due to the fact that 100 pound barrels were shipped to Sanders, Frank's no doubt did the blending of the 11 herbs and spices. Frank's likely, was not just shipping him individual spices.
Now we come to a time period in the late 1950's, circa 1959 when in another interview recently found of Minnette Summers, wife of Marion Kay's Bill Summers who states Colonel Sanders approached Bill because of the high quality of Marion Kay spices and they began producing the O.R. Infomation found reveals a relationship of ten years or more. Sometime after 1964 the new owners engaged Sexton and Stange in Chicago to be the new splice supplier. MK could still have sold the O.R. to Florida and Canada into the 1970's. Kordell Reid, now head of Marion Kay did admit in a press interview circa 2005 that his company's chicken seasoning 99x, is pretty close to KFC's Original Recipe.
All this shows that Mike Hall's story is not totally correct in the way told. But no doubt Colonel Sanders did in fact go back to Bill Summers sometime after the he sold KFC to see what the company did to cheapen his O.R. This information presents a clearer picture of Colonel Sanders O.R operations of the 1950's and 60's. If further info is found I will post it. Modern day O.R. spice packs lists McCormick, out of Baltimore and other locations as the main supplier, although there may be others around the world........
Dustin
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