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Post by willy on Aug 5, 2024 20:24:07 GMT
What often gets overlooked is the early philosophies of the old TCK forum. It was originally a given that the "note" was a blend of various flavorings that resulted in one unique taste, a perfect balance. Many on the forum dismissed the concept of the "note" and I believe was the beginning of subversion by KFC. If you tasted garlic, then the balance was off.
Here is where I throw my two cents in. If you don't know what is in the OR, then you don't know what isn't in it. KFC, which has practiced misinformation since CHS himself, hides most of the ingredients they want to in the "vegetable herbs and spices" phrase. I don't believe that anyone can claim that all of the 11 Hs&Ss were ever printed. According to what I have read here, ginger can't be in the OR, because it was never listed, and it never has been.
The 11 herbs/spices and spices/herbs is a trade secret. KFC has gone to extreme measures to protect it. I don't believe for a second, that backseat drivers as ourselves, can look at the trail that KFC has left and determine whether garlic is/was in or not. That is how they intended it to be. To quote Yves, only taste can be the judge.
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Post by justinalias on Aug 5, 2024 20:45:43 GMT
I'm not interested in 99X, and I have no access to Grace's Perfect Blend. I'm interested in emulating the O.R, whether it be the 70s version or the modern day version. Garlic always appears last, making it least. Perhaps least by a wide margin. As in, it's potentially in there as a ruse. I don't think it's in there as a ruse, KFC wouldn't include it in their ingredients list if it wasn't present. Given I could never taste it in KFC I suspect it's added as a flavor enhancer, as per: www.acsh.org/news/2016/07/28/the-flavor-enhancing-molecule-in-roasted-garlicI added 1.5 tsp of dehydrated garlic powder (not granulated) to 1.5 cups flour and it permeated the flavor of the coating. The last time I added it I used a quarter-teaspoon to the same amount of flour and it was no longer detectable in the coating. |
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Post by justinalias on Aug 5, 2024 20:46:52 GMT
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Post by justinalias on Aug 5, 2024 21:03:33 GMT
What often gets overlooked is the early philosophies of the old TCK forum. It was originally a given that the "note" was a blend of various flavorings that resulted in one unique taste, a perfect balance. Many on the forum dismissed the concept of the "note" and I believe was the beginning of subversion by KFC. If you tasted garlic, then the balance was off. Here is where I throw my two cents in. If you don't know what is in the OR, then you don't know what isn't in it. KFC, which has practiced misinformation since CHS himself, hides most of the ingredients they want to in the "vegetable herbs and spices" phrase. I don't believe that anyone can claim that all of the 11 Hs&Ss were ever printed. According to what I have read here, ginger can't be in the OR, because it was never listed, and it never has been. The 11 herbs/spices and spices/herbs is a trade secret. KFC has gone to extreme measures to protect it. I don't believe for a second, that backseat drivers as ourselves, can look at the trail that KFC has left and determine whether garlic is/was in or not. That is how they intended it to be. To quote Yves, only taste can be the judge. The Colonel once stated "the ingredients stand on everyone's shelf". They would have to be fairly common ingredients for that to be true, but there are certain not-so-common ingredients that produce a high amount of eugenol, with cloves being the most potent. Yet like you said, if you can distinctly taste something, the balance is off. In the last batch of seasoning I made, I removed two of my usual ingredients and added two ingredients I'd never used before; basil and rosemary. The raw spice combination (minus salt but including MSG) oddly had a strong "vegetable" flavor I'd never tasted before. The finished product wasn't bad but it was a bit further from what I'm trying to achieve. |
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Post by willy on Aug 5, 2024 21:03:37 GMT
If garlic was a crucial catalyst to developing the note, wouldn't you think KFC would try to hide it? If they printed it, would that mean that they are trying to influence people to believe that garlic IS NOT one of the magic 11? Is garlic the bonding agent that brings the other elements together into the formation of the note? Never underestimate the influence of "deviousness". History is rife with examples.
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Post by silver on Aug 5, 2024 21:14:56 GMT
No! It was a Kentucky Fried Chicken seasoned flour bag. Paper bag that is. No Garlic. Who thought it would be a good idea to eliminate attachments? Ken ( Ken_Griffiths), please bring them back. |
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Post by justinalias on Aug 6, 2024 0:18:50 GMT
If garlic was a crucial catalyst to developing the note, wouldn't you think KFC would try to hide it? If they printed it, would that mean that they are trying to influence people to believe that garlic IS NOT one of the magic 11? Is garlic the bonding agent that brings the other elements together into the formation of the note? Never underestimate the influence of "deviousness". History is rife with examples. The government doesn't care what you do with an ingredient or why you use it as long as it's included as a listed ingredient if required so by law. If there was no requirement to list garlic as an ingredient, you can be damn sure KFC wouldn't disclose it in their list of ingredients. The less they disclose the better for their trade secret. |
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Post by justinalias on Aug 6, 2024 0:22:01 GMT
No! It was a Kentucky Fried Chicken seasoned flour bag. Paper bag that is. No Garlic. Who thought it would be a good idea to eliminate attachments? Ken ( Ken_Griffiths ), please bring them back. You told me to google for something which I did, and that was the first hit that came back. If you're trying to post an image, you need to copy the BB link(s) to your images from whatever service you're using to host them. |
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Post by willy on Aug 6, 2024 3:25:16 GMT
And.......if garlic is in the magic 11, a trade secret, then it doesn't have to be listed. Thus if it is listed, one must ask him/herself, why? To mislead? A misunderstanding of the law? A paranoid lawyer? A legal requirement?
The only question we need be concerned about is: Is it in the OR, or not?
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Post by justinalias on Aug 6, 2024 19:22:15 GMT
And.......if garlic is in the magic 11, a trade secret, then it doesn't have to be listed. Thus if it is listed, one must ask him/herself, why? To mislead? A misunderstanding of the law? A paranoid lawyer? A legal requirement? The only question we need be concerned about is: Is it in the OR, or not? Garlic allergies are rare, and in Canada garlic doesn't need to be disclosed in a list of ingredients. However, if garlic was a priority food allergen it would most definitely need to be listed according to federal law, trade secret or not. For all we know garlic isn't part of the 11 at all and is being used solely as a flavor enhancer, or as you put it, KFC is throwing it in there to mislead. I'm going to keep using as small amount in my next couple batches to see whether or not it truly makes a difference. |
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Post by Ken_Griffiths on Aug 6, 2024 19:47:27 GMT
And.......if garlic is in the magic 11, a trade secret, then it doesn't have to be listed. Thus if it is listed, one must ask him/herself, why? To mislead? A misunderstanding of the law? A paranoid lawyer? A legal requirement? The only question we need be concerned about is: Is it in the OR, or not? Garlic allergies are rare, and in Canada garlic doesn't need to be disclosed in a list of ingredients. However, if garlic was a priority food allergen it would most definitely need to be listed according to federal law, trade secret or not. For all we know garlic isn't part of the 11 at all and is being used solely as a flavor enhancer, or as you put it, KFC is throwing it in there to mislead. I'm going to keep using as small amount in my next couple batches to see whether or not it truly makes a difference. Garlic is an allergen in the UK and Garlic powder is a skin irritant, so i suspect it has to be shown on the seasoning bag label for the Staff (cooks) who have to handle it - so it’s probably on the label due to legislation and I suspect that safety regulations probably overrule any trade-secrecy legislation, not least as a persons health is undoubtedly more important than keeping the one ingredient a secret. So it might be changes in legislation that later caused that ingredient to be listed, that’s my personal thoughts on why it may not have been listed on earlier labelling. |
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Post by willy on Aug 6, 2024 20:49:33 GMT
By your logic, garlic is in the OR. Now the question is, is it in the vials, if the vials are legit? If it is crucial, as some might suspect, then why isn't it listed in Glen's video about Grace's? Either it isn't in Grace's, or it has been obscured. If it has been obscured, then that means that it must be crucial. If again, it is crucial, then either Glen and/or Karl are liars. And the cycle repeats. I'm cooking again today. I may go buy a piece of KFC to identify which ingredients (pepper and msg, duh) stand out. The resulting flavor of KFC which survived the changes, is part of the note. Or is it? LOL
The fluid in my tincture is rapidly evaporating. The taste now is very hot and peppery. I'm not using heat to help evaporation because of the fire risk, and also I want pure powdered extract.
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Post by justinalias on Aug 6, 2024 21:20:37 GMT
By your logic, garlic is in the OR. Now the question is, is it in the vials, if the vials are legit? If it is crucial, as some might suspect, then why isn't it listed in Glen's video about Grace's? Either it isn't in Grace's, or it has been obscured. If it has been obscured, then that means that it must be crucial. If again, it is crucial, then either Glen and/or Karl are liars. And the cycle repeats. I'm cooking again today. I may go buy a piece of KFC to identify which ingredients (pepper and msg, duh) stand out. The resulting flavor of KFC which survived the changes, is part of the note. Or is it? LOL The fluid in my tincture is rapidly evaporating. The taste now is very hot and peppery. I'm not using heat to help evaporation because of the fire risk, and also I want pure powdered extract. There's the possibility the Colonel gave both Grace's and some of the Canadian franchisees modified versions of his original recipe so as not to get sued into oblivion. This might be why Grace's uses allspice and the Canadian franchise mentioned uses summer savory. Summer savory grows like weeds on the east coast of Canada, so it would have been plentiful. As good as the Glen and Friends version is, lately I've been deviating from it to chase the flavor of the modern O.R. |
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