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from deep taste

PostPosted: Fri Oct 01, 2010 2:17 am Post subject: Reply with quote
KFC now doesnt depend on the OR , it was changed forever and the cusomers want words such like , crispy , yummy , and when they see 11 vials of spices and tell them it is their secret recipe they will fight to have it .. this is the time of media ,, even us in our researchings affected by others notes and excperience more than the reallity , when we first discovered vanilla bean and how much it looks like vial c , i was sure most of us will say that the recipes using it are the best yet , for God sake , is it realy important for the taste we rememper from the past .. i dont think so , but we like it not because of its taste , just because it is like vial c ... i want everyone of us to get back to the road of taste .. the best recipe is the one that taste like the OR even if it was composed of 3 spices or it is composed of 14 spices .. but we are still fighting as about pepper ( to consider it one or two ) , we have to start from the taste , the dominate taste and then go up to add spice by spice as we feel we are approaching to the secret TASTE .. this is one from the 4 critics say about kfc ( the year is 1976 ) Sad(( “ Beard: I find it very odd, having tasted this chicken on several occasions, how the quality varies from one locale to another. It can range from crisp and really quite acceptable to something absolutely revolting, a slimy, slick batter that slides off, leaving a very disagreeable-looking piece of chicken underneath. ))))
i think the different from one locale to another is more than 50 %
lets be wise and dont fight about 1% please , i am sure if i put 13 spices in a recipe that will not cause the different in the taste as Bread had descripe .. i am sure just 3 or 4 spices bring more than 80% of the OR
all our good friends let us start by making this core ( of some essential herbs and spices ) for our next research , and lumpy and every one remember the magic of the old days OR, help us with this essential CORE for the history please

from deep taste

PostPosted: Fri Oct 01, 2010 4:17 am Post subject: Reply with quote
this is Kid Knievel 2.0

1 1/2 - 2 tsp Black Peppercorns
1 1/2 - 2 tsp White Peppercorns
1/4 tsp Rosemary
1/4 tsp Basil
1/4 tsp Thyme
1/4 tsp Savory
1/4 tsp Tarragon
1/4 tsp Mint, crushed
1/8-1/4 tsp Cayenne, Red Bell, or Chili
1/8 tsp Cinnamon
1/8 tsp Cloves, ground

lumpy wrote about it :
Rather than tell you how much she enjoyed Kid Knievels kk2.0 which I prepared for dinner today, I'll provide 2 quotes from her in the order in which she said them.
1) "I'm in Heaven!"
Approximate 2 minute pause while eating
2) "If you change anything in this recipe, I'll kill you!"
Frankly, I'm surprised at how good this is with absolutely no sage and with no egg wash.
This recipe is better than any I've previously prepared.
it would need to be leaps and bounds better to beat kk2.0.
Well done, Kid!
Trust me folks, especially the geezers like me, you're going to love this.

and tc32

1 tsp white pepper
3/4 tsp black pepper
1 tsp sage
1/2 tsp coriander
3/8 ginger
3/16 bay leaf
1/8 mace
1/8 cardamom
1/8 savory
1/8 allspice
1/8 cloves

lumpy wrote about it :
That was the best dang chicken I've had in 50 years. No kidding.
TC, you should be incredibly proud of what you've created.
I was worried it wouldn't have enough bite without the Red Pepper. I was totally wrong. The heat was just right.
Since Kid Knievel convinced me to try Mace, I've been its staunchest advocate and TC32 definitely validates my belief in it.

now there are only 4 spices shared between these two recipes ( white and black pepper , savory , and cloves ) and by counting black pepper and white pepper as one ( like the last brouse b recipe ) they become only 3 shared spices : pepper , savory , and cloves
there are 7 herbs and spices different between these two recipe and still lumpy think they are very close to the OR
and the last bruceb recipe has fennel , vanilla bean , cayenne , and nutmeg dont excist in TC32 that is too much for ( something missing ) Lumpy , I think we have a huge problem fiding the origenal OR here ...
I think we don't know anyone who remember exactly how the OR taste , and thats why we are looking for something like the vials photo
we need a new standard measurment .. i think so
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 01, 2010 6:38 am Post subject: Reply with quote
I don't see any contradiction in the statements you quoted above.

They were from different timeframes; KK2.0 being first. Up until that point in time, KK2.0 was the best recipe Kid Knievel had created. Nowhere did I suggest that it was the O.R.

Regarding TC32, it was created much later after we had learned a lot more about the 99-X ingredients thanks to Dustin and his "Hubble".
At the time TC published it, it was closer to the O.R. than any recipe I had previously tasted and it continued to be until last week.

In BB10-0131, Nutmeg is equivalent to Mace, Vanilla is the original ingredient which was subsequently replaced by Cardamom IMHO. I believe Fennel was the flavor which was missing since we began this quest.

Deep Taste, it is unfair of you to take my posts out of context to make your point. If you have an opinion, go ahead and state it as such rather than trying to present it as fact.

L

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This should ruffle a few feathers.

L080912 – 09August2012

~Flour~

1 cup Brodie XXX self-raising cake/pastry flour
OR
1 cup King Arthur unbleached self-rising flour

~Spice Mix~

1 tsp McCormick Sage, ground (h)
1 tsp Irie White Pepper, fine ground (s)
7/8 tsp Spice Islands Black Pepper, medium ground (s)
1/2 tsp Marion-Kay Coriander, ground (s)
3/8 tsp Marion-Kay Ginger, Jamaican, fine ground (s)
1/4 tsp McCormick Ancho Chili, ground (s)
1/4 tsp Spice Islands Nutmeg, ground (s)*
1/4 tsp Marion-Kay Bay Leaf, powdered (h)
1/4 tsp Marion-Kay Summer Savory, powdered (h)
1/8 tsp Marion-Kay Cardamom, Green, ground (s)
1/8 tsp Spice Islands Cloves, ground (s)

1/2 tsp Accent MSG
2 tsp Marion-Kay fine flake salt

~Egg Wash~

1 tsp Sugar, light brown
1/2 cup 2% Skim Milk
1 Whole egg

*If you are unable to find Spice Islands Nutmeg, don't substitute any other nutmeg. You should substitute McCormick Ground Mace instead.

Try it. You'll like it.

L

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Lumpy June 7, 2013 recipe:

Here's the recipe I cooked up yesterday. No photos again because my whole famn damily wanted boneless, skinless chicken breasts so I figured there was no point in taking pictures. B/S chicken only takes 4 minutes to pressure fry.

Base ingredients as pictured on KFC Japan website.

3 tsp Mixed Peppercorns, medium ground (President's Choice)
1 tsp Sage, ground (Marion-Kay)
1/2 tsp Coriander, ground (Marion-Kay)
3/8 tsp Jamaican Ginger, fine ground (Marion-Kay)
1/4 tsp Allspice, fine ground (Spice Islands)
1/4 tsp Garlic, powdered (Spice Islands)
1/4 tsp Rosemary, ground (Spice Islands)

My added ingredients.

1/4 tsp Nutmeg, ground (Spice Islands)
1/2 tsp Thyme, ground (Spice Islands)
1/8 tsp Celery Seed, ground (Club House)
1/4 tsp Chili Powder, ground (McCormick)*

1 tsp MSG (Accent)
2 tsp Fine Flake Salt (Marion-Kay)
1/2 tsp Onion Salt (Club House)

*PLEASE NOTE: Chili Powder is quite different than ground Chili Pepper. The ingredient list on a 50g jar of McCormick Gourmet Chili Powder is as follows: Chili Pepper, Cumin, Salt, Oregano, Dehydrated Garlic.

The flavor is more intense because of the short cooking time and although it has the O.R. "note", it still needs some work. I may increase the amount of both Rosemary and Nutmeg on my next attempt.

The Onion Salt is a definite keeper.

L

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Lumpy:

Brining is not necessary, but I do it because I believe it makes the chicken juicier.

In a Tupperware or similar container, stir the following ingredients into 4 cups of water.
1 tbsp Vinegar
1 tbsp Salt (non-iodoine)
1 tbsp Sugar, white
1 tbsp MSG
Add the chicken. After 4 hours, remove the chicken from brine and rinse in fresh water before cooking.

I hope this helps.

[kgp]

The feud between Lumpy and Ellsworth:

I see our little sociopath has cried "Wolf" again.
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Dear Forumup,

is using abusive language and I would like for it to be stopped.
Today is Thanksgiving and I let my family go to that site and I
was sick to see what they are writing about me. My family
urged me to report to you in hopes something will be done.

Can you help?

Ellsworth
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This is the same ploy he used to shut down Lumpy's Larder and now he's trying to get TCK shut down.

He refers to "my family" yet he has no wife and no children. He has an adult brother, but I'm sure he wouldn't need to let him visit this site.

Ellsworth, did you tell the forumup admin that you were banned from this site? Did you tell them you had anticipated that action so you created multiple aliases? Why didn't you tell them that's why you're now using "Tahoe" as a member name instead of Ellsworth? Did you tell them that you have been flooding this forum with inane posts since October?

I suppose it's time for someone else to complain to the forumup admin about a certain crybaby who should rightfully be ignored for what he is.

L

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Posted: Sat Oct 23, 2010 1:15 am Post subject: Reply with quote
Re: Wish you would come back...
Thursday, June 18, 2009 11:50 PM

From:
lumpy (the real name and email has been removed)

To:
Ellsworth

I'm sorry Ellsworth, but I think it is unlikely I will ever post again at EP or TCK.

I will probably drop in from time to time to see if everyone is happy and healthy, but I will not post.

I considered you my friend and you hurt me deeply by your unfounded and unwarranted accusation.

Frankly, if a few misguided emails from Shirley can cause you to react like that to a friend, you should re-assess your responsibilities as an Administrator.

Additionally, I did not expect you to immediately go running to The Colonel to tell him of your speculation that I was drunk, when you had no proof whatsoever to support that ridiculous claim, but you did.

Since it seems you tell The Colonel everything that happens in your life, you can pass on my concern regarding his sanctimonious and downright vitriolic diatribe over my simple statement about censorship. My post was brought about by his unnecessary deletion of my reply regarding his sudden and strangely coincidental creation of Rule #5.

Both my initial reply to Rule #5 and my censorship comment had remained in plain view for at least 3 days before they were deleted and before The Colonel spewed forth his venom.

What irks me the most, even more than his deleting my post, was his justification for doing so.

He was 100% accurate when he said Colonel Sanders was staunchly against both smoking and gambling. (I am also a non-smoker and non-gambler.) However, he was 100% inaccurate when he suggested that Colonel Sanders was a teatotalling, anti-profanity exponent. In fact, even the simplest research will show that Colonel Sanders' everyday vocabulary was laced with profanities and, in more than one instance, he was considerably under the influence of alcohol. He was even so drunk at one point that he couldn't read a simple radio commercial script. So The Colonel needs to get down off his high horse and spend some time with us mortals.

Ellsworth's Place is your board and The Colonel's Kitchen is his and you each have the exclusive right to delete what you want and/or ban whom you want, but sometimes common sense dictates that you take a step back before you do either. This was not the case at EP or at TCK as it relates to me.

If you'll accept some advice from me going forward, please understand that many folks enjoy humor because it makes them happy, so when someone posts something they mean to be humorous, don't take their comments literally.

Ellsworth, I wish you good fortune and happiness.

Be well.

L

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It seems to me that forumup admin has many more pressing issues to deal with right now than this kind of crybaby complaint.

I suppose you'll need to deal with it anyway, but before you do, I should apprise you of some pertinent facts.

1. Ellsworth was banned by the site admin several months ago for abusive conduct.

2. Foreseeing that outcome, he created several aliases prior to his banishment. He is currently using the membername, "Tahoe".

3. For the last several weeks, knowing that the site admin is absent due to personal matters, Ellsworth has been flooding the forum with inane and unwanted posts. Ask any legitimate member.

4. In his complaint, he infers that his family was distraught over some of the posts at kfc.forumup.co.uk. The problem with that statement is that he has no wife and no children, so what family members is he referring to?

5. Forumup records will clearly indicate that he has made these kinds of complaints before and he usually waits until the site admin is away or his/her email address hasn't yet been updated before he strikes.

6. kfc.forumup.co.uk has existed for over 5 years and it contains a wealth of valuable research. Ellsworth's forumup site contains nothing of value and exists merely to publish the address of his private domain.

If more details are required to help quash this spurious complaint, I would gladly provide them.

Lumpy - thelair.forumup.ca/index.php?mforum=thelair

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Posted: Wed Jul 21, 2010 5:15 pm Post subject: Reply with quote
OMW! OMW! OMW!

First my latest recipe and then my comments.

L0721 - 21JUL2010

~Flour Mix~

1 cup Hard Red Spring Wheat Flour (Bread Flour)
2 1/2 tsp Fine Flake Salt

~Spice Mix~

1 tsp White Pepper, fine ground (s)
7/8 tsp Black Pepper, Tellicherry, medium ground (s)
1 tsp Sage, fine ground (h)
3/8 tsp Coriander, fine ground (s)
1/4 tsp Allspice, powdered (s)
1/4 tsp Ginger, Jamaican, powdered (s)
1/8 tsp Cardamom, Green, fine ground (s)
1/8 tsp Red Pepper Flakes, fine ground (s)
1/8 tsp Summer Savory, powdered (h)
1/8 tsp Bay Leaf, fine ground (h)
1/8 tsp Vanilla Bean, Madagascar, fine ground (s)

1/2 tsp MSG

This is magical, folks. I'm so happy with this batch I could shout, "Eureka!" like Archimedes did, but he yelled it while running naked through the streets. I skipped that part so my neighbors wouldn't lose their appetites (or their stomach contents).

I read Brodie's recent comments about Sage and I was very tempted to add an extra 1/4 tsp to my mix, but I decided not to at the very last moment. Like Brodie and TC, I too believe Sage is a key ingredient in the O.R., but if you use a quality brand which is ground rather than rubbed, I believe 1 tsp is enough. If you use rubbed Sage you probably need more.

Regarding Vanilla, I fervently believe this is the ingredient we've been missing. At 1/8 tsp, it provides just a hint or maybe only a whisper, but that's perfect in my opinion.

Although I'm overjoyed with L0721, I know there are still a couple of variations which others may wish to try before they give my recipe their Seal of Approval.

I'm no longer concerned about Vial "C". Vials "E" and "J" are the ones which may have options. Imho, the only possible option for Vial "J" is Mace and, if it is included, then Nutmeg is not an option for Vial "E". Along with Nutmeg, Cloves is the only other option for Vial "E".

The reasons I selected Allspice for Vial "E" are twofold. First, it was identified as an ingredient in Sexton Poultry Seasoning and the others were not. Second, Allspice mimics the aroma and flavour of both cloves and nutmeg, so I considerate it to be an acceptable subsitute for them.

L0721 will be the only recipe I cook for the foreseeable future since, frankly, I don't think I can do better. However, I would be overjoyed to receive feedback from y'all after you try this O.R. attempt.

Thanks in advance.

[kgp]

Lumpy O.R.

3/4 tsp black pepper
1 tsp white pepper
3/8 tsp coriander
1/4 tsp Ancho Chile Pepper
5/16 tsp ginger
3/16 tsp savory
1/8 tsp cloves
1/8 tsp cardamom
1 tsp sage
3/16 tsp bay leaves
3/16 tsp vanilla beans

4 1/4 tsp salt ( I USE 2)
1/4 tsp MSG

1 cup of flour

Lumpy's O.R. by weight

2.35g Sarawak White Pepper
1.58g Tellicherry Black Pepper
0.65g Rubbed Sage – Marion Kay
0.63g Coriander – Marion Kay
0.27g Savoury – Marion Kay
0.32g Ground Bay Leaves – Marion Kay
0.23g Cardamom – Marion Kay
0.56g Jamaican Ginger – Marion Kay
0.43g Ancho Chili Pepper – McCormick
0.35g Tahitian Vanilla Bean – fresh beans dried and ground
0.27g Ground Cloves – Marion Kay

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ec 26, 2011 11:14 pm Post subject: Reply with quote
Not again! Rolling Eyes

Ellsworth says he is permanently closing his site and its shoutbox at Midnight Saturday and then he will retire.

Seriously folks, I have lost track of the number of times he has done this.

At least this time he isn't blaming one person. Here's what he posted on his ShoutBox.
Ellsworth wrote:
I blame DTM, Lumpy, Letsparty and Yves for my retirement. Pure and simple. It's not Mark this time!!!! WOW!!!!!

2011-12-26 7:07 PM


Unfortunately, this guy is like a bad weed. Just when you think he's gone for good, his site will rise from the ashes with its distinctive odor of garlic and onions.

This is like the friggin' SuperBowl 'cause it happens every year, except nobody has yet run an Ellsworth Unretirement Pool where we could make some money.

The truth is that Ellsworth's Place is closing because he doesn't want to pay the annual hosting renewal fee. And since ShoutMix is eliminating its free ShoutBoxes, he would need to pay to keep that subscription active too.

He'll merely revive his free ForumUp site or start a new one. I'll give him no more than 2 weeks to unretire.

L

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Back in the late 70s and early 80s, each summer, my wife and I took our daughters to the world's longest fresh water beach on the shore of Georgian Bay. It's a place called Wasaga Beach.

There was and still is a KFC there. I'll explain the significance of that fact soon.

Because I'm way too impatient, I couldn't wait until tomorrow to cook my latest O.R. attempt, so I cooked it for dinner today.

When my daughter bit into her first piece of chicken from today's batch, she said, "Dad, that's how I remember KFC from Wasaga Beach."

That almost brought tears to my eyes.

What follows is my latest recipe (and the light brown sugar is still there). I hope someone will try it and provide some feedback. And thanks KK, for opening my eyes (and nose) to Mace.

L0330 - 30MAR2010

~Chicken~

1 whole chicken, cut in 9 pieces to KFC spec or equivalent pieces

~Brine~

4 cups Water
1 tbsp Vinegar
1 tbsp Salt
1 tbsp Sugar, white
1 tbsp MSG

~Flour Mix~

1 cup soft wheat flour such as Brodie XXX self-raising cake/pastry flour
1 1/2 tsp fine flake salt

~Spice Mix~

1 tsp Black Tellicherry Peppercorns, medium ground (s) 2.17g
1 tsp White Pepper, fine ground (s) 2.38g
1/2 tsp Coriander, ground (s) .65g
1/2 tsp Sage, rubbed (h) .32g
3/8 tsp Ginger, Jamaican, fine ground (s) .55g
1/4 tsp Cayenne (s) .50g
1/4 tsp Mace, fine ground (s) .60g
1/8 tsp Bay Leaf, powdered (h) .20g
1/8 tsp Cardamom Seed, Green, ground (s) .29g
1/8 tsp Cloves, fine ground (s) .26g
1/8 tsp Summer Savory, powdered (h) .24g

1 tsp MSG 4.83g
1/2 tsp fine flake salt 2.40g

~Egg Wash~

1 tsp Sugar, light brown
1/2 cup 2% Skim Milk
1 Whole egg

~Preparation Instructions~

Combine Spice Mix with Flour Mix and mix thoroughly. Place in its own bowl.
Remove chicken pieces from brine.
Rinse well under cold running water. Pat dry.
Dip each piece in egg wash.
Transfer to flour/spice mix and press down hard on all sides until each piece is completely coated.
Upon batch completion, cook immediately.
Do NOT refrigerate pieces and cook later.

~Cooking Instructions~

Pressure Fry - Bring Cottonseed oil to 200C/392F. Cook chicken for 1 minute open. Do not stir. Attach lid. Over "high" heat, bring pressure to 15psi. Reduce heat to "low" and cook for 11 minutes.

Keep batches warm in 77C/170F oven on wire rack, loosely covered with foil, until all batches and side dishes are complete.

L

[kgp]

More Salt and Black Pepper. No Allspice and Cayenne.

And unlike a couple of my pals, I still use only 11 herbs & spices.

Try it; you'll like it.

L0414 - 14APR2010

~Chicken~

1 whole chicken, cut in 9 pieces to KFC spec or equivalent pieces

~Brine~

4 cups Water
1 tbsp Vinegar
1 tbsp Salt
1 tbsp Sugar, white
1 tbsp MSG

~Flour Mix~

1 cup soft wheat flour such as Brodie XXX self-raising cake/pastry flour 133g
2 1/2 tsp fine flake salt 11.98g

~Spice Mix~

1 3/8 tsp Black Tellicherry Peppercorns, medium ground (s) 2.98g
3/4 tsp Sage, rubbed (h) .47g
1/2 tsp Coriander, ground (s) .65g
3/8 tsp Ginger, Jamaican, fine ground (s) .55g
3/8 tsp White Pepper, fine ground (s) .89g
1/8 tsp Bay Leaf, powdered (h) .20g
1/8 tsp Cardamom
Seed, Green, ground (s) .29g
1/8 tsp Cloves, fine ground (s) .26g
1/8 tsp Mace, fine ground (s) .23g
1/8 tsp Nutmeg, fine ground (s) .28g
1/8 tsp Summer Savory, powdered (h) .24g

1/2 tsp MSG 2.42g

~Egg Wash~

1/2 cup 2% Skim Milk
1 Whole egg

~Preparation Instructions~

Combine Spice Mix with Flour Mix and mix thoroughly. Place in its own bowl.
Remove chicken pieces from brine.
Rinse well under cold running water. Pat dry.
Dip each piece in egg wash.
Transfer to flour/spice mix and press down hard on all sides until each piece is completely coated.
Upon batch completion, cook immediately.
Do NOT refrigerate pieces and cook later.

~Cooking Instructions~

Pressure Fry - Bring Cottonseed oil to 200C/392F. Cook chicken for 1 minute open. Do not stir. Attach lid. Over "high" heat, bring pressure to 15psi. Reduce heat to "low" and cook for 9 minutes.

Keep batches warm in 77C/170F oven on wire rack, loosely covered with foil, until all batches and side dishes are complete.

L

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Here it is.


Lumpy 2.0 - 12JUN2009

~Chicken~

1 whole chicken, cut in pieces to KFC spec (or 8-10 legs and thighs)

~Flour Mix~

2 cups Brodie (or equivalent) self-raising cake/pastry flour
1 tbsp Sugar, light brown
1 tbsp Sea Salt
1 tsp MSG

1 tbsp Black Tellicherry Peppercorns, medium ground
1 tsp White Peppercorns, fine ground
1/2 tsp Coriander seed, ground
1/2 tsp Rosemary leaves, ground
1/2 tsp Sage, rubbed
1/2 tsp Savory leaves, rubbed or pre-ground
1/2 tsp Tarragon leaves, rubbed
1/2 tsp Thyme leaves, rubbed
1/4 tsp Cayenne
1/4 tsp Cinnamon
1/4 tsp Cloves, ground

~Brine~

5 cups Buttermilk
5 tbsp Salt
1 tbsp MSG
1 tsp Black Tellicherry Peppercorns, course ground

~Egg Wash~

3/4 cup 2% Skim Milk
1 Whole egg, beaten
No double-dipping required

~Cooking Instructions~

Pressure Fryer - 325F, 10 minutes (2 open and 8 closed) per Colonel Sanders patent

Deep Fryer - 338F, 12 minutes

Keep batches (5 piece max/batch) warm in 200F oven until both batches and side dishes (i.e. French fries) are complete.


You can't believe how good this tastes and how close it is to the 60's O.R.

It's not the O.R., but it's dadgum close.

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Posted: Tue Aug 27, 2013 4:07 am Post subject: A VERY SAD DAY, INDEED... Reply with quote
It is my very sad, and regretful duty, to report that on the 2nd of August, 2013, one of our great and enthusiastic members, Lumpy (i.e. Paul), passed away.

Paul was a very enthusiastic and sincere researcher in this great cause of ours. He had been researching Colonel Sanders once-awesome secret recipe of 11 herbs & spices for many a year, I can tell you... And I know for a fact that right up until he passed, he was still cooking and researching with great gusto and enthusiasm.

He will be sorely missed by us all. I know that I, for one, had an enormous amount of respect for him. I also believe that wherever he is right now, it will be a better place, where he rests in great comfort and ease.

My sympathies go out to his wife, his children, and of course, to his grandchildren, who use to devour the fried chicken he made, with delight, zest and relish!

I love you Paul, as every person deserves to be loved; and I wish I'd interacted with you a lot more, this past year... It will be a regret that I carry for a long, long time.

Sincerely,

TC (Mark)

_________________
The Colonel

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osted: Tue Oct 19, 2010 5:53 pm Post subject: We've come a long way Reply with quote
I believe I've posted this before, but just in case we all forgot (because of our advancing years), following is a list of herbs & spices which I have used in my O.R. attempts over the last couple of years and the brand name of each. They're not in alphabetical order because I'm too old to figure that out.

Black Tellicherry Pepper - President's Choice

Bay Leaves - Marion-Kay

White Pepper - Marion-Kay

Cardamom - Marion-Kay

Cloves - Club House

Coriander - Marion-Kay

Ginger - Marion-Kay or Kid Knievel

Chili Pepper - McCormick

Sage - McCormick

Savory - Marion-Kay

Vanilla Bean - Bulk Barn

Fennel Seed - Bulk Barn

Cayenne - Marion-Kay

Nutmeg - Marion-Kay

Mace - Bulk Barn

Star Anise - Bulk Barn

Dry Mustard - Keen's

Celery Seed - Club House

Allspice - Spice Islands

Tarragon - McCormick

Onion Powder - Club House

Garlic Powder - Spice Islands

Rosemary - Spice Islands

Those of you who have been paying attention and have actually cooked some of the recipes posted here and at TCK will know which spices and herbs aren't part of the O.R.

This may be horrifying to DTM and Ellsworth and perhaps many others, but our quest will be fulfilled within a matter of days.

I will continue to monitor this site to ensure the idiot spammer doesn't attack like he did elsewhere.

Friends, this has been a long and sometimes tedious journey, but I now believe we have reached our goal.

The result will be posted when I have permission to do so.