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Post by kgp on Dec 13, 2019 15:31:10 GMT
Sexton Poultry Seasoning
Anyone who wants to cook my best ever O.R. recipe which I will post here soon needs to prepare a batch of this poultry seasoning in advance.
It's a documented fact that Colonel Sanders used Sexton Poultry Seasoning when he first started tinkering with his now-famous fried chicken recipe. If he considered it to be one ingredient, it proves once again what a smart fellow he was.
Sexton Poultry Seasoning
2 tsp Sage 3/4 tsp Coriander 1/2 tsp Allspice 1/2 tsp Ginger 1/2 tsp Thyme 1/2 tsp Marjoram 1/8 tsp Black Pepper 1/8 tsp Savory
As you can see, the yield is 5 tsp so it'll be good for more than one use.
I'll post my O.R. recipe soon.
L
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Post by hanysakr2020 on Dec 13, 2019 19:15:37 GMT
thanks a lot sir but all ingredients are ground ? can you write the weights please
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Post by batelmagdie on Dec 13, 2019 20:48:22 GMT
The ratio of Sage to savory are really strange to me . No one has agreed on it . but 2 tsp sage to 1/8 tsp savory is the most extreme ratio i have seen .
I even saw ome of the golden area recipes that has same sage to savory amount .
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Post by kgp on Dec 14, 2019 15:36:13 GMT
hanysakr2020, Lumpy never used weights.
batelmagdie, I would probably have savory equal to thyme and marjoram which is half tsp.
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Post by kgp on Dec 14, 2019 16:07:14 GMT
Poultry Seasoning chart. This chart allows you to see the various differences between many companies poultry seasoning blend. You can easily compare them. Attachments:
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Post by kgp on Dec 14, 2019 16:23:09 GMT
I'm of the opinion that all of the herbs in CHS original recipe is contained in the chart above. Which ones? Sexton for sure. Look at the next two companies poultry seasonings that comes the closest to matching Sexton brand. Look at what the difference is. It's what we've all been using these many years. This is not by accident. We were on the right track. Notice that tarragon is not part of any poultry seasoning. Mark at TCK made only 4 recipes with tarragon; recipes 7,8,28 and 29 but then for some reason tarragon fell away. I can't find any good explanation of why.
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Post by kgp on Dec 14, 2019 16:36:40 GMT
Mark from TCK said:
"Yet another breakthrough recipe my friends! We truly are getting closer and closer to the O.R of old! It won't be long now before we have it in our collective hands! Smile
On a hunch, I actually made up two versions of this recipe... You see, this recipe was put together not long after one of our members made the Tarragon discovery (i.e. the 1968 lawsuit against Lee's Famous Recipe where the judge basically stated that KFC used Tarragon in their cole slaw recipe) From this awesome discovery, a safe assumption can be made that Tarragon could quite possibly be one of THE famous "11"... Afterall, the sidedishes should "complement" the main dish, no? That's the theory anyway...
So, I knew I wanted to try Tarragon, but I also knew that I didn't want to relinquish my other new finding (Savory!)... this meant that another ingredient HAD to go, but which one? I carefully looked over each and every ingredient, analysing them intently. The first thing I realised was that the 7 (at that time) spices from the TCK "proof List" had to stay, which left 3 to choose from: Cardamom, Mace & Allspice.
Mace, at the time, was a no-brainer... it's a chicken spice from way back. There is also a concensus of sorts among researchers that it is most likely one of the ingredients in the O.R. Cardamom has been detected by aroma in both 99-X and in the KFC Corporate O.R spice mix, so I really didn't want to change that... but what of Allspice? Well, that had been a favorite of mine for a while. Eventually, I decided to make up two recipes: one with cardamom, and the other with allspice.
Upon cooking both recipes up, ensuring that each batch was kept separate from the other, I excitedly tried a piece from each recipe, eyes closed, senses wide open! Firstly, I bit into the cardamom sample; the taste was clean, brimming with flavor, and strongly reminiscent of the O.R of old! I then bit into the allspice sample, and while it was certainly fine chicken, I immediately realised that the allspice imparted a flavor which I did not recognise from my childhood memory of Colonel Sanders' O.R! It was really clear to my mind: Allspice was NOT a part of the Original Recipe.
In summary, this is one fine recipe my fellow O.R Replicators. I highly recommend that y'all try it when, and if, you can (at your nearest convenience). Overall, it is the closest I have come to that awesome fried chicken recipe known as Colonel Sanders' Original Recipe!
I believe that the majority of the ingredients are 100% "O.R"... My main objective now is to figure out the correct ratios for each ingredient Wink Finding the correct ratios is just as crucial as finding the right herbs and spices, believe you me Wink
Oh! And how did Tarragon go? Well... I can't say that it didn't work. And my wife loves it! But before I pass final judgement, I would like to do more trials with it. I think that it works really well in conjunction with Savory (quite possibly creating a part of the magical "note" that some of us recall from the O.R of Colonel Sanders). Time - and more testing - will tell..."
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Post by batelmagdie on Dec 14, 2019 16:59:12 GMT
The Universal taste is something for everyone . I believe CHS had O.R. Version 1 but it had spices that . Its great by itself and may made a better flavour but NOT for everyone . I know for a fact that some people dosn't like [Cinnamon , fennel ] And i think i can easily imagine that tarragon is not for everyone .
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Post by kgp on Dec 14, 2019 17:07:01 GMT
And i think i can easily imagine that tarragon is not for everyone . However, tarragon is used for KFC cole slaw so it must be widely accepted by peoples taste buds but this doesn't mean that it was used in the O.R.. I do find it interesting that tarragon is not used by any of those top companies for poultry seasoning. What did they know? I wouldn't say "The Universal taste is something for everyone" but for the majority of people. It's like saying "Everyone like chocolate." It's basically true even though we know there are some that don't. So, when CHS daughter Margaret said that I always concluded it was most people will like it. You can't please everyone.
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Post by mpmn04 on Dec 14, 2019 22:43:52 GMT
I totally understand why CHS used Sextons Poultry Seasoning in the beginning, why re-invent the wheel? So does anyone have a copycat of the recipe so we can start from there?
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Post by Ken_Griffiths on Dec 14, 2019 23:48:17 GMT
I totally understand why CHS used Sextons Poultry Seasoning in the beginning, why re-invent the wheel? So does anyone have a copycat of the recipe so we can start from there? The ingredients are shown on the tin below Mike and presumably the label lists them in weight-order, so that’s maybe a beginning perhaps? Click to enlarge image
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Post by Ken_Griffiths on Dec 15, 2019 0:02:10 GMT
Maybe the Colonel just added Clove (which he perhaps used with his other originally popular country ham recipe) and he simply increased the level of Peppers (Black, White and Red Pepper)... that would have given him the 11 herbs and spices for his finished recipe, perhaps?
Then the MSG came later in the post-war years at Wolf Creek?
I think we’re possibly still missing another 'element', maybe some kind of 'malt powder' perhaps... That would be my guess. I'm still wondering if the flour element, which the Colonel also spent quite some time perfecting, may now also contain a part of the overall secret?🤔
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Post by kgp on Dec 15, 2019 0:45:37 GMT
Ann Page and Bell's poultry seasoning are the only two that use ginger just like Sexton. Ann Page and Bell's poultry seasoning also have one other in common that is missing from Sexton. It is rosemary.
Since Sexton uses 8 and then you include black pepper and white pepper as another 2 you now have 10 in total. You're missing 1. That is really close. One other herb or spice is missing.
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Post by Ken_Griffiths on Dec 15, 2019 2:19:03 GMT
Ann Page and Bell's poultry seasoning are the only two that use ginger just like Sexton. Ann Page and Bell's poultry seasoning also have one other in common that is missing from Sexton. It is rosemary. Since Sexton uses 8 and then you include black pepper and white pepper as another 2 you now have 10 in total. You're missing 1. That is really close. One other herb or spice is missing. I didn't think I was missing one? ...In no particular order: - White Pepper
- Black Pepper
- Red Pepper (Hot)
- Sage
- Coriander
- Allspice
- Clove
- Marjoram (or Oregano)
- Savory
- Jamaican Ginger
- Thyme ... (or Rosemary)
I have put two potential alternative herbs (just as a complete guess and suggested by others) in brackets.
MK 99x has a good many of these ingredients too, but clearly not all of them ...and some members here suggest that perhaps Bill Summers in the 1980’s out of Court settlement, either removed, or possibly ‘substituted' some of the ingredients in the same way that Lee Cummings settled with his court case ... I certainly can’t rule out these things and whilst they may not be perfect, these ingredients do seem to be fairly close to the aroma and taste... so I think a good many of them are correct.
Here is the Lee Cummings settlement ...
www.icloud.com/sharedalbum/#B0SGIZ8BIGI0mER;12EFDF98-3B7D-4E7F-BEE9-6BCBB1909AFE
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Post by mpmn04 on Dec 15, 2019 2:47:27 GMT
Thanks Ken; yes, I was wondering if the Sextons ingredients would have been listed in descending order of volume/weight and you assume it is as I did. Lumpys recipe (by volume measure) as posted by KGP (thank-you) is the only one I can find online, so if its uncontested it must be close enough i can only assume.
Mike
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